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A question has come up concerning the detection of a failed Diameter

application and the consequences for the AAA client.

RFC 3588 suggests very strongly that Diameter stacks should be implemen=

ted

in layers. Accordingly the possibility exists that in a Proxy agent or=

a

server, the Diameter Base protocol handling process is functioning prop=

erly

but the application process has fallen over. I.e. The Diameter Transpo=

rt

connection is up and the watchdog commands (DWR/DWA) are being sent and=

received.

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Base

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to

the client at all or reply with an error and Result-Code set to

DIAMETER_UNABLE_TO_DELIVER, depending on implementation and interpretat=

ion

of RFC 3588 and RFC 3599.

The AAA client is now faced with the situation that every single Reques=

t to

a peer is failing. Depending on the application and mode of use, an

individual Request (e.g. at the start of a Session) can failover to a

secondary peer. However there seems to be no mechanism for the client =

to

detect the general failure and thereby suspend the peer and send all fu=

ture

Requests directly to the alternative peer. It seems that this situati=

on

can occur both in a Proxy Agent and in a Server.

Have I miss-understood the mechanisms or even the architecture of a

Diameter node? Or is this "out-of-scope" of the RFCs, possibly being

"implementation dependent"?

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Mike Hillier

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Mike,

some comment in line.

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From: m.hillier@telenet-ag.de [mailto:m.hillier@telenet-ag.de]=20

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Subject: AAA Transport Profile and Application Failure

A question has come up concerning the detection of a failed Diameter

application and the consequences for the AAA client.

RFC 3588 suggests very strongly that Diameter stacks should be

implemented

in layers. Accordingly the possibility exists that in a Proxy agent or

a

server, the Diameter Base protocol handling process is functioning

properly

but the application process has fallen over. I.e. The Diameter

Transport

connection is up and the watchdog commands (DWR/DWA) are being sent and

received.

[MSt] Yes, Diameter stack should be layered and internal communication

between layers is left to the implementation. There was an attempt to

standardize a basic API, but this was shut down a while ago. I have seen

some discussion lately but probably nothing concrete yet.

In such a situation and on receipt of a Request from a AAA client, the

Base

process in the Proxy (or Server) will either not send any response back

to

the client at all or reply with an error and Result-Code set to

DIAMETER_UNABLE_TO_DELIVER, depending on implementation and

interpretation

of RFC 3588 and RFC 3599.

[MSt] A Diameter agent MUST always send an answer back to the client,

either success or failed. If the agent is acting as a relay for a

request, then the base protocol layer is mainly the one responsible for

the full handling of the request. However, if the agent is acting as

proxy for a request, the request handling responsibility is typically

shared between layers (i.e. base protocol and possibly proxy

application).

Section 6.1 of RFC 3588 reads:

[start fragment]

When a message is received, the message is processed in the following

order:

1. If the message is destined for the local host, the procedures

listed in Section 6.1.4 are followed.

2. If the message is intended for a Diameter peer with whom the local

host is able to directly communicate, the procedures listed in

Section 6.1.5 are followed. This is known as Request Forwarding.

3. The procedures listed in Section 6.1.6 are followed, which is

known as Request Routing.

4. If none of the above is successful, an answer is returned with the

Result-Code set to DIAMETER_UNABLE_TO_DELIVER, with the E-bit set.

[end fragment]

I think a proper implementation would work as follow:

- The base protocol layer receives the request. It decides as whether it

is acting as proxy or relay for the request (i.e. based on Local Action

in the realm routing table).

- If the request is to be proxy (i.e. the agent is acting as proxy for

the request), the proxy application should process the request by

modifying the message according to its policy (e.g. add a

Destination-Host to force the request to be routed to a pre-defined

destination or other policy specific actions). Hence the base should

pass the request to the application layer and, if this one fails, it

should answer according to step 4 above. Basically, there should be

internal communication between layers in order to detect the failure

(i.e. if the proxy application process is down, and this is required for

the processing of the request, this should be internally detected and an

appropriate answer sent back to the originator of the request).

The AAA client is now faced with the situation that every single Request

to

a peer is failing. Depending on the application and mode of use, an

individual Request (e.g. at the start of a Session) can failover to a

secondary peer. However there seems to be no mechanism for the client

to

detect the general failure and thereby suspend the peer and send all

future

Requests directly to the alternative peer. It seems that this

situation

can occur both in a Proxy Agent and in a Server.

[MSt] See my previous comment. In my example the agent is up and running

in relay mode, but perhaps not in proxy mode because the proxy

application process is down. Therefore every request for which the agent

has to act in proxy mode will possibly be answered with Result-Code

DIAMETER_UNABLE_TO_DELIVER. The AAA client receiving such an error, will

possibly re-send the request to an alternate peer (and the request may

eventually get a successful answer). That's all what the standard says.

Then, depending on the degree of complexity of your implementation (but

this is up to your implementation I think), the client may decide to

stop sending such requests (perhaps for a while) to a peer after a

number of failed request with this kind of result-code.

Have I miss-understood the mechanisms or even the architecture of a

Diameter node? Or is this "out-of-scope" of the RFCs, possibly being

"implementation dependent"?

[MSt] My feeling is that internal communication between software

components that build up your Diameter stack is definitely

implementation dependent.

Best Regards

Mike Hillier

Michael Hillier

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From: "Tolga Asveren" To: Subject: [AAA-WG]: Question about Address AVP syntax encoding in RFC3588

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I was a bit confused about certain Derived AVP encodings. If somebody could

clarify or refer to somewhere, I really would appreciate it.

RFC3588 4.3 Derived AVP Formats

1)Address

RFC talks about "most significant octet" about this AVP. This makes me

think, it is encoded numerical, because a number has most/least significant

octets but a String doesn't.

example: 1.1.1.1 is encoded as:

+--------+--------+--------+--------+

|00000001|00000001|00000001|00000001|

+--------+--------+--------+--------+

OTOH, just two lines below, we have "The AddressType is used to discriminate

the content and format of the remaining octets.". This sentence made me

think that it is encodeed as a String -ASCII based-, because it mentions

about "format".

Which interpretation is correct?

2)Actually this one is just to confirm:

ipno in IPFilterRule AVP is encoded as a String (?)

Thanks,

Tolga

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